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[l_sylvanas]

Давно хотела сказать -- от нарастающего антиамериканизма в (в частности) России уже просто тошнит. Это наверное не в упрек людям, которые его проявляют, а просто факт.

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[eugenebo.livejournal.com]

Мда. Ельцин пытался создать официальную российскую идеологию. А Путин создал. И ею стал антиамериканизм.

Работает, безусловно, очень мощно. Одна с ним проблема: на "врага" надо молиться и пылинки с него сдувать, чтобы он, не дай Бог, вдруг не ослаб и не перестал выглядеть потенциально опасным :)

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

ну пока что это все-таки еще не *официальная* идеология :).
Просто пользуются исподтишка - а люди и рады.

[hotabych.livejournal.com]

Строго говоря, единственная идеология которую пытался (и вполне успешно создал) Ельцин - бери всё до чего дотянешься. Строить на этом государство невозможно. Путинская идея, что слабых бьют, а сильных уважают стара как мир. Если бы антиамериканизм был официальной идеологией, то никаких совместных программ в космосе, допуска американских компаний на внутренний рынок и т.д. не было бы и в помине. Тогда было бы очень просто: США - враг. Со всеми вытекающими последствиями. Но такого не было даже в самые острые периоды холодной войны. И дай бог до такого не дожить.

Тут дело исключительно в философии. Любая культура стремится к доминированию. А раз уж наш мир так устроен, что спокойно жить никто не хочет, то для соперничества лучше выбирать самого сильного и тогда собственные шансы на совершенствование максимальны. В качестве такого противника США идеальны. Тем более, что их всегда есть в чём упрекнуть вполне обоснованно.

[freetrinity.livejournal.com]

Ничто так не объединяет людей, как наличие общего врага (с)

Национальная идея, в понимании некоторых, к этому и сводится -- увы

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

For inner peace, I simply avoid listening to russian radio lately. The amount of annoyance the anti-american crap causes me is really not worth my peace. Considering that at the moment, Russia is the very last place I want to visit (have way too many places I want to see on my list as it is, which I havent seen yet)- I really don't see the point of paying attention to them. On the plus side, I feel that the friends I do have left there aren't quite as brain-washed as some others are. So it's not all.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

у нас с тобой очень разные ситуации, т.к. у меня там родственники и много друзей, и Россия как раз одно из первых мест, которые мне хочется посетить.
Я не хочу порывать связей с Россией и считаю себя прежде всего русской, хоть и живу постоянно в другой стране.

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

Yes I think I understand that - we do have different situations. I consider myself american and russina only by upbringing/culture. I have no family there and few friends left in St. Petersburg with whom I do keep in touch and they are always very welcome to visit me here - but there's no way I'm going to Russia in any near future. Maybe even never. Although I wouldn't say never because I very well might ;)

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

see, it is none of my business, but frankly - what I really *don't* understand is how people strongly *dislike* Russia while they were born there and spent their childhood there? You are not the first person from whom I hear this - things like "It is the last place I want to visit" or "God forbd I have to live there again" and stuff like that. While I can understand that people may enjoy their living in the U.S. it is strange for me how they can feel so opposed to the country they were born in. I am not saying I condemn this or something - again, it is none of my business, but it really is puzzling.

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

I never said I “disliked” Russia as in hate – I don’t hate it. However I do not feel any affinity to it. Yes I was born here and spent my childhood here. It had some pleasant parts, but actually when I visited Russia already as an adult (in my 20s) – it felt extremely foreign. It felt a foreign country just as any other foreign country would, minus I spoke the language. The culture of Russia that I like is, how do I put it, culture of books I grew up with. But books and people are entirely different, and the longer I live here the wider that gap grows. I listen to them speak on the radio, and I even listen American Russian radio and it still is entirely weird to me. The way they discuss politics, the way they speak, the way they approach the world. I think it is just a huge cultural gap. I give you an example – a good friend of mine in Petersburg, was looking for a new job. Was really the best qualified candidate, everything- professionally. They made her an offer on a condition that she signs a paper that obligates her not to have children for the next 10 years! No jokes! Not to mention they also asked her age and marital status. I’m sorry I read this with my jaw on the floor. To ask any employee here their age and to bluntly demand they have no children – no, this is just not done here, against the law. That’s what I mean.

And as far as “it’s the last place I want to visit” – not because I hate it. Just because – why would I? I spent 14 years there since birth and then also visited it three times thereafter! I have seen St. Petersburg and Moscow – the jewels of Russia extensively. The world is big, my finances are limited – there are so many places I have not been aside for Russia. It’s seriously the last place on my list. Not because I hate it but because there’s absolutely nothing there I wanna see in the near future. Hope this answers your question.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

no, no, it doesn't :) Again - I understand that this is how it is for you, it is just that I cannot imagine something like that for me :). things like employment practices suck in Russia, and bureaucracy sucks in russia - I am aware of that and I never enjoyed it. It is part of it. But then there are windows that open in offices and real grass and so many other things that are just not found here that I truly miss. Hell, personally I just miss the streets I used to walk as a teenager. That's just my thing of course - I know that nobody else has to be that way. But definitely -- the "bad things" about russia wouldn't be the reason why I wouldn't want to go there. For me it would be the same as to say "I don't want to go to Greece because drivers there are crazy and it is too hot and stores close at 3 pm". I love Greece and cincerely miss it -- same with Russia except Russia has even more because I was born there, grew up there and was there longer, experienced more things etc.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

so, I guess the part that I can't relate to is exactly this: I don't consider Russia as a travel destination. I consider it my home. I consider Washington my home now, too. I cannot exactly call Greece my home but I cedrtainly would like to, and I certainly don't consider it a travel destination either. I guess I tend to grow attached to places or something :).

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

Well, but I think we're talking about two different things. First thing is - yes generally speaking certain things about russia I do dislike, but this is not primary reason why I dont want to see it. I generally feel neutral towards russia just as I would to any other foreign country - and again, to me it IS foreign country despite the fact that I grew up there. Yes I do remember feeling nostalgic seeing my old house and school when I visited but not nostalgic enough to actively miss it.

However, second point - as I said before, at this point I feel that I saw enough of Russia to not give it priority. Regardless of my feelings for it. Just in general - going to Japan or Russia? - no questions about it, Japan, cuz I never saw it, and I did Russia. And so on. Perhaps when I finally run out of places to travel to, then I'll go to Russia. Meanwhile it's a very low priority regardless of everything else.

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

Sorry did not see ur second comment

> I don't consider Russia as a travel destination. I consider it my home.

See, I don't consider it my home, not at all. Maybe that's the difference.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

yeah I know! That's what puzzling to me! :) Not in you particularly -- I don't mean to try and pick on any of your feelings, obviously they are not a bit less valid than mine. It is just that it is not the first time I hear from people who were born in Russia that they don't condiser it their home and it is really puzzling to me, I just can't relate to it, that's all.
However... I must confess in some of your words previously and also in some other friends' words I did hear certain aggressiveness towards Russia, or should I say... Well, I mean things like "Thank God I don't have to live there!". I believe you said something like that when it was your 10th anniversary in the US or something? Maybe I am mistaken. And the other day another frien who has lived in the US for 15 years now said the same thing. And it really was puzzling -- like, I understand that people may be very happy or content here, but why the need to emphasize how happy they are to NOT be there? I am sorry if I am being unclear - I do not mean it as a personal attack, on the contrary: I feel that with you I could discuss a thing like that.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

oh it was 20 years! wow!! :)

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

Ok as I got to run to karate in 15 min I'll try to explain briefly. Russia really never wanted ME to feel that it was my home. No, sure we all were brainwashed "rodina rodina", yet if you're aware of the 6th paragraph and all that it entailed - never quite did... I was a kid when I was growing up and Petersburg was one of the better cities to live as far as that perspective went - yet I felt it very subtly all through my school years. My parents felt it much less subtly, when my dad was explicitly denied a high ranking job for which he was more than qualified based on 6th paragraph. My brother in 10th grade, was getting straight A's and a B was forged into his grades to prevent him getting a gold medal. He also was told in very explicit terms that he should not try to apply to a certain university as they had their quota of Jews. Then my parents left ;) as he was nearing that army age. How do I put it - i did not feel it in daily life, yet you always felt a bit different. Then leaving russia itself - in 1988, we were not allowed to take any books, so although my parents also had rather a good library - nothing of that was taken. Gave away to friends and family. Same for most of personal possessions. They had a small limit on jewelry you were allowed to take, and I think $100 a person ;) Let's see.. citizenship was also taken, had to formally give away passports, so actually I am not citizen of russia and never been as never reached 16 years while there. I think that in general though, where you are born doesn't mean your home, at least not always. Just like people are born to certain families and never feel quite right and leave their parents as soon as humanly possible. So I'm failing to understand why am I somehow obligated to feel loyalty to the place that never really quite wanted me - certainly never gave the same rights to me as a citizen as to anyone else born there - and I know this is past and mb things are different now but we're talking the times i was there. I feel kind of neutral towards it -do not wish it harm because I do have friends there, because I know I cannot judge everyone by the same measure, and so on. But to me it is just a country, like any other one, with only difference that I understand all the subtelties of the language and can interact freely.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

yeah I understand. I tend to forget this side because I never saw it -- but of course I know it existed.

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

the reason I tend to forget -- I grew up in a place where there were a lot of scientists, like half (or more) of them Jewish, that includes high rank positions in research institutes, in the university etc. So I sort of learned about antisemitism from books. But I understand that it was a reality.

[vorobeika.livejournal.com]

А по моим ощущениям, он не нарастает, а наоборот, медленно затухает.
Впрочем, возможно, мне так кажется потому, что я не там :)

[l-sylvanas.livejournal.com]

да может и так. Я-то тоже очень со стороны смотрю, мягко говоря.